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Castiel 4/28/2018 12:00 AM

Lol

do you need help with anything i guess

Im great how are u

pretty alright, just eating pizza, friend bought me overwatch, played it, and absolutely hated it

12:02 AM

not that i didnt appreciate the gift

Hahahaha

and stuff

12:02 AM

but yeah

That's great

i guess im too attached to tf2

I like blizzard games, but never tried Overwatch

ehh, its not my thing but it may be yours? idk

I don't have money

12:03 AM

lol

i dont either, thats why my friend bought it for me =w=

Please move this to #lounge (edited)

Is it normal to not know your tulpas name?

I just started creating my tulpa today, made up a name for her. After about 15 minutes of forcing for the first time I kept calling her by a different name accidentally so I went with that different name. Do you think this could be her naming herself already? After 15 minutes?

Well Dazama give her self a name

11:51 AM

And I just learned the other one Pandora

11:52 AM

There sister what Dazama told me

11:52 AM

Twins

Ah cool, was just going to ask how you found out

Wich one

Do they look similar?

Not really. Was odd tho

11:53 AM

They had their own looks that I never seen before

11:54 AM

Wich im still confused about

11:55 AM

I never thought a tulpas can make themselves in your thoughts

11:56 AM

Long as they follow my rules. Wich they do. Im ok with interacting with them

Yes I believe it can be her name that she wants. Kajgies

@kaj Tulpas aren't likely to name themselves after 15 minutes of forcing. If they seem to be, it almost certainly is not actually them, but an unconscious thought on your part. The reason that I say this is because it takes time for the brain's functioning to change so significantly - even habits take much longer amounts of time to form, and they certainly aren't as complex as a tulpa.

6:28 PM

Since tulpas are alternate patterns of brain function relative to yours, it takes time to form a tulpa to any autonomous degree. Before then, I would certainly say they are technically more of an imaginary friend (if you started from any specific traits or a mental picture of how you want them to turn out).

@SkyeNet You're implying here that a tulpa can only start existing at the first force attempt

Oh, one could certainly exist from other triggers. Typically, though - without consistent forcing done at some point (regardless of understanding/knowledge/intent), alters are traumagenic. I'm not sure what other event would cause an alter to form, whether you classify it as a tulpa or not at the time.

I'm more saying that a person can be relatively used to having thoughtforms around, by whatever means, so one of them speaking out early in the forcing is not an improbable occurrence, esp if they draw from that thoughtform pool

Certainly... Though that is significantly less common and still does have the prerequisite of another trigger. If somebody already is used to having alters or other characters in their head that act autonomously, they have no need to create a tulpa. It would likely be better to communicate with the ones that already exist, particularly since the brain's capability is finite and "simultaneous" proactive activity does come with a significant reduction in capability.

I'm talking about a lower level than actualized independent consciousnesses here; more like, a creative writer, say, or someone who talks with himself a lot.

I see. In that case, it would make quite a bit of sense for a subconscious naming of the character if they already have traits in mind. That said, in the end - if a character appears and asserts themselves, I would highly recommend looking back to see how they could have existed. Any memories they have related to what the host was doing in real life or what they were feeling could help search for a time where forcing was done or another event potentially forced that creation - it would only be an approximation, but it would certainly demonstrate how it happened.

6:48 PM

This is also for the benefit of communication with others, as making claims that an autonomous tulpa just appeared with no reason aside from the person engaging in creative writing in the past (to use your example) is not particularly plausible, whereas when there is some event or prior forcing that would result in a tulpa/alter it makes far more sense based on how the brain changes.

Mhm. I was also coming from an angle that it is to better assume that it's them even at first (good ol' trust but verify) in order to avoid false negatives and encourage growth that way.

Ah. That's fair - I personally recommend an approach of general neutrality - don't assume it is them, don't assume it isn't. In cases where it has literally been 15 minutes, I would err on the side of caution. If one wants to be reasonable, they can also narrate a response - such as apologizing, but waiting until there is something more definite for the sake of confirmation and being sure they can speak to the tulpa, rather than a random thought of themselves.

I mean, it's a name, don't see why he wouldn't use it and just go with it for the time being if he doesn't have much else. But in general yeah, it's mostly explorative at first

Essentially, there are ways to approach while avoiding false negatives and false positives in a reasonable manner that can be understood.

6:58 PM

Well. Yes. In this case there isn't anything wrong with using the name itself - I would just not recommend assuming the name came from the tulpa after such little time spent forcing.

yeah, so, neutrality - don't assume it did, don't assume it didn't

Exactly.

Mainly - I truly do not want people to delude themselves and end up treating tulpas as a game, or an exercise in roleplay.

7:05 PM

And, to make it clear that extremely quick tulpas, when they do occur, have some experience or consistent action prior that did a lot of the work (or all of it) to create the tulpa - that this is an anomaly and not the norm.

Hi all. I'm completely new in this community and I've read about tulpas only yesterday, however I was wondering whether I can ask a question that was bothering me for a while. I'd like to add that I'm willing to create a tulpa, but still I need some research before the start to be more sure about the whole process. I'm a complete beginner. (edited)

would some guides on the process do?

questions are appreciated

Hello. Research and prior information before deciding to make a tulpa is excellent.

7:29 PM

What can I help you with?

I've read one guide already, covering the basics and how to start the creation process, however my question wasn't quite answered in there. ^^' And here it comes: would it be good to imagine the wonderland as a 3rd person, e.g. as if someone else apart from me and my tulpa was in the room, watching/observing us, seeing through their eyes? Or perhaps would it be better to stick to my point of view, to make it more realistic? If you don't understand what I mean I'll try to explain it in other words.

That is entirely up to you. The 'wonderland' is essentially: "A specific place you repeatedly daydream of, typically with your tulpa."

7:31 PM

There isn't a "right" way to do it. It is simply imagination.

personally I do both, switching between the 2 as I want to

Okay, then I'll be switching as well, like I intended to. Just wasn't really sure if it would affect the forcing somehow. Thanks for answers.

no problem

yeah, whatever feels most comfortable. I prefer 1st person as it makes it more "real", but that can also be harder to do.

That's some good info

8:47 PM

Thx for the Intel winter

8:49 PM

Can your tulpas help change the host thoughs? Like with depression.

A tulpa's emotions can bleed over onto the host (and vice versa) and talking to a tulpa is like talking to another person and certainly help their host feel better or worse depending on what they say however from my understand: generally going under the process of tulpa creation and having a tulpa around can help hosts who suffer from depression or other mental problems

8:55 PM

however they shouldn't be created just a coping strategy to be left behind when no longer needed like anti depressants

the problem with making a tulpa to help you cope with your issues is that you need to be willing to heed their advice and trust their judgement more than you would trust your own

yeah

and that's in general, far from easy for people with issues in the first place

Thanks for info

9:05 PM

Does your tulpa start out kinda like I child?

A child playing adult... so to speak.

I haven't read a ton about that but from my personal experience yes and no, they are curious like a child and just want to learn about anything and everything they can with as much detail as they can understand but act more mature than a child might (edited)

So they can read like the host?

9:08 PM

And spell

yes, they absolutely can use all of the basic knowledge in your brain, at the very least.

So more of your interal thoughts

they have access to the hosts memories and can quickly learn any language related skills if they don't have them naturally (they might idk), some of my tulpa's earliest communication involved her sending me mental images of how the words she wanted to say were spelled

9:10 PM

and they can and will read however it's generally better to atleast in early development read to them that way you're interacting with them while doing it

I understand that we use 10% of are brain so are tulpas can be another part of it?

9:12 PM

Wich would be amazing thought

as far as I know using the 10% of the brain isn't accutally acurate it's more we only use a small part of our brain at any given moment, and no brain scans (that I know of) have been done with tulpas in mind so we don't really know the neurological process, personally I think they are activating different neurons simultaneously to the host however there's no proof of that

Wow.

I saw someone say that Dr. Veissiere (antropologist at McGill doing research on tulpas) got approval for fmri scans during for the upcoming summer but I haven't found any creditable source to confirm that

10% is a myth.

9:15 PM

Old science from the early 1900s

yeah

@Castiel Tulpas are not a replacement for counseling, medication, or solving any base contributing factors to mental health problems.

9:17 PM

Please, never treat them as such.

yes, the brain scans are happening soon.

Tulpas are companions - they are also not a replacement for social interaction with other people in real life (as opposed to in your head).

Understood winter

Hah. The only reason I am putting that in bold is because it is extremely important.

it is important so (edited)

9:20 PM

no problem putting it in bold

9:20 PM

~~probably not a bad idea for a pinned message either~~

People with mental illness or significant mental health problems should get help - replacing genuine mental health treatment with tulpas is not a good idea.

9:21 PM

Hah.